How am I supposed to setup my cameras?

[Revo2Maxx]

No problem, Thank you for the info.. My main issue was I said I couldn't find it in the NVR at first, Then when I seen I could I thought I would correct my self incase there are others that are looking for the same info. I try to answer things that can help anyone that reads. I will change that method going forward.

To your Question, There is motion grid and area of tripwire sized. For some people that require more space from a tripwire they will ZigZag the line to make it so it will keep going after the set time.. That is how Motion also works. If you were to set motion in an area of your screen that is main area of interest for the event. Someone triggers that zone however walks out of the zone into an area that isn't part of the grid then no it would stop after the set time in the Motion Event page of the camera.. So in theory if you keep the whole scene in the Motion grid then yes it will keep going as long as the person is within the motion grid and the camera is able to detect it.

About your recording of motion and Tripwire. This is how it works for me. Having a motion setup and a Tripwire. If motion is triggered first it will record the IVS rule and remove the Motion in that spot. So if you were to say click on search, then uncheck IVS when you playback lets say a car was coming down the street, Once it gets to the area where the IVS was it would disappear and if still in the scene after the IVS recording was over it would return. So if doing a Multi setup in search you will want to make sure that you keep all event types enabled so you don't miss anything.

[Revo2Maxx]

Thought I would add in some extra content of what I mean about Motion and IVS. If IVS is removed from the search it will not have any motion in that area to keep the full scene going I personally don't use many of my AI cameras in Motion because I want real events only to record. Anything that I want to have full time I will do so on Sub Channel to keep recorded data longer. In the 2 pictures you can see 1 has the IVS and the one with the IVS removed from search and I know that it is hard to see because there was a few areas that didn't have any motion to start with. Looking at the picture full screen and switching back between the 2 pictures makes it easier to understand. It was windy day so there was a tree that was blowing in the wind causing all the motion for the day.

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[YodaVader]

So I tried it with webui > alarm > video detection on and I got hours of a bug hanging around ch1 and the lights stopped turning on at night with the intrusion zone. I disabled it the lights work again.

Q: How do you get anything to record the sub channel? I don't see any option to choose main/sub for recording. I only get that choice in live view.

I tried enabling webui > AI > SMD for CH5 this morning before I went out to play with the dog. It worked but as you mentioned it interferes with the IVS.

For me the motion kicked in first and the IVS rule did not trigger until the motion recording stopped. Add to that the only way to find the 'smart' motion recordings is to do an AI search with the webui for smd, they do not show up in a regular search with the webui nor a search with ASP. Also, the recordings only lasted 30 seconds. I sat on the patio playing with the dog for 5 minutes and nothing. Maybe the "medium" sensitivity wasn't enough.

So for me it seems ivs rules are disabled while motion recording is happening and that disables the lights. The lights are a priority for me though.

Also, here's that cat again. It clearly trips both IVS rules but the light doesn't come on. If I walk in the same spot at the same time, the lights come on, weird.

In the second image below you can see what I'm trying to do out front. The larger rules are 24/7. The smaller rules are 8pm to 7am and they make the lights turns on. (trigger smart illumination)

Q: The issue now is if someone enters the intrusion zone and stops making a lot of motion, the system stops recording. I would get a video of someone walking up to my vehicle but it would stop recording after 20 seconds while they stood at the door trying to break in. Any suggestions on redrawing those zones would be apppreciated as well. The ones for CH2 overlap, is that an issue?

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Note: I have a 32" HDR10 monitor. I can see the images quite clearly

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[Revo2Maxx]

OK page 3 of this thread and 4th picture down you can see where you pick the Sub Channel as your record full time even without it being setup in Scheduling.. Changing that to Manual for the Sub Channel it will record sub channel full time and not interfere with IVS recordings..

[Revo2Maxx]

So thought I should also mention how to access that incase it wasn't seen in any of my post..

If you look at the 2 pictures the first one you see I have 3 cameras picked, One of them don't have any events today and the other 2 have very little. IF you look in that first picture you will notice that the M is in the list on the right.

In the Second picture you can see that I have full days recorded footage and looking at the area on the right it is now S that is because the recording is on the Sub Channel.

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[YodaVader]

Ah ok. I was hoping I could capture motion on the sub channel and IVS on the main.

Any thought on my other issue?

The issue now is if someone enters the intrusion zone and stops making a lot of motion, the system stops recording. I would get a video of someone walking up to my vehicle but it would stop recording after 20 seconds while they stood at the door trying to break in.

[Revo2Maxx]

Sure, Seeing you like ASP, Use asp and setup PC-NVR, Then setup the Motion to record on ASP. But to tell you the truth the issue is just as I said it could be. While using Sub Channels to record full time you don't miss anything. Sure it is on lower stream but in truth it catches what you need and to be honest someone that used to have a 960H DVR the sub channel is better footage then what one would get with a 960H recorded footage. Don't get me wrong on the right recorder almost anything looks good..

So what is the 960H compared to the older D1 and what most of the Sub Channels are recorded at. Well in truth the 960H takes the image and makes it wider and so the image don't really look as good as it should. Take a man that is 150lbs and put in front of a 960H recorder and one that was recorded with D1 format. The one on the D1 will look normal while the 960H will look wider *Like they are heavier then they really are.

So things that can be done not having to use a Computer being left on full time running ASP is do like I said.. USE THE SUB CHANNEL TO RECORD FULL TIME.... Then when an event happens like you said when there is someone breaking into your truck you have the Zone they crossed this gives you the time you know to look at your footage, Then you click your channel S and playback the full event in Sub Channel format. With the Higher quality IVS and the event happening on Sub it is enough to get the perps details from IVS and what they did on the Sub Channel..

Or leave a computer running and setup ASP to record your Motion events on that. Sure you will need to get the data from 2 different sources but will have the full Main Channel event size in IVS on your Recorder and Motion on the ASP.

[Pogo]

If concerned about missing events, just record full time with motion detected event triggers and be done with it.

If camera IVS integration for triggering NVR alerts doesn't play nice with full time recording, what's the point?

Either it's a very poorly developed feature (no surprise from Amcrest), is not being configured correctly, or simply defeats the purpose entirely.

Resorting to sub streams to mitigate the issue is a clever workaround, but hardly an acceptable solution by any reasonable standards unless it can auto-switch to main stream for high quality alert based recording/and or playback..., which the Amcrest platform cannot.

And if an ASP implementation is even a remote consideration, just dump all the Amcrest VMS crap and be done with it anyway.

Build a Blue Iris server, integrate the 4108 if desired and don't look back.

[Revo2Maxx]

Humm, Well it isn't like that. I mean sure it won't play well from 1 event to the next, Never has.. But Amcrest just like all the others that use same hardware type at least offer such recordings.. In the Other Brand you have 1 type of event. Sure the Schedule acts like you can setup motion from some point in the day but there is no full record and motion alerts. If you setup for full that is all you get. Sure you will get alerts that event happen and if have push setup it would show a snip it of the event but that is it. Maybe because they to know that when 1 event happens over full time or Motion then IVS the one event over rules the other and if doing search for 1 type might keep out the full..

It was that way before Ai was out. When people would do full time record and get a motion or alarm event it would cut out the full time so when you are playing back that isn't missing..

So yeah my 5232E-16P, and my 4216E-AI NVRs don't have that issue the way I setup my NVR to record. That is because the events are being recorded to 2 different HDD so it gets everything. It still don't stop me from setting up Full time recording to go to Sub Channel and also a different HDD..

About Blue Iris, I am back to being mad with it lol.. Just set and forget and less then a week after my update time expired I noticed that I was not on a Stable Version that was released but I am stuck on a not working so well version just cause I let the computer do its thing and pay no mind like one would the DVR/NVR. Until the time was needed to look. Now I have to pay for another year just so I can get updated software that is so wrong lol.. Should be able to DL 1 version past expired updates for the stable version.

[Pogo]

I record full time and with motion events and always have. No lapse in full time recording during event based recording with both simultaneously available on the timeline if so chosen (along with alarms). No IVS rules involved on either my DV8M8 boxes or the 4108 (as a Dahua now).

It boggles my mind that IVS settings from a camera would take priority over pre-determined motion/event recording settings of a NVR without some means of effectively integrating everything to work as one would logically expect it to work. Again, if camera IVS functions break the fundamental full time recording capability of an associated NVR, what's the point? It makes no sense whatsoever.

And I warned you early on that Blue Iris is the classic case of "if it ain't broke..." LOL I'm still on version 5.7.4.2 and intend to stay there until a change is absolutely necessary. The "latest stable release" has become a joke with such an insane focus on the CPAI aspect and seems to only break the last "latest stable release" requiring another one the next day..., in perpetuity. There are indeed stable releases out there and the 5.7.x.x series is a pretty solid one. I've had zero problems going on two years with mine running Win10Pro on an i7-4790. I also schedule my Windows updates for the last Sunday of the month and initiate them myself to deal with any surprises. Makes identifying and fixing them much easier when/if they occur.

But I still think something is missing in the whole IVS superseding full time motion recording thing. That simply should not happen. It should be a manageable condition somehow somewhere. Maybe not in the OP's 4108 being discussed, but after all, IVS rules are basically just triggers FOR alerts and timeline indexing..., presumably to be used for scrubbing/searching just as motion events are used for locating items of interest in a 24/7 recording configuration.

Blue Iris makes that easy.