I have had IP cameras for a long time. Started with Panasonic cameras and no NVR.
I have slowly replaced my cameras with Amcrest and finally decided that an NVR would be a good idea.
The main thing I have learned during setup of the NVR is don't be afraid to factory reset and start over. Motion, smart motion, and AI have SO many knobs that you can mess up something and not know how to get back. FACTORY RESET and start over.
I am on my third factory reset configuration ...
Lessons learned from a new NVR user
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While a Reset can help some. There is some issues when it comes to NVRs and IP cameras. Main thing is that the camera is where the data is stored for most NVRs.. So if you happen to mess up something that is camera related then doing a Factory Reset of the NVR will not help when you add the problem camera back on the NVR. So not only is it important sometimes to factory Reset a NVR but Cameras as well. Even that said it could be as easy as just Resetting the IP camera..
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Another new lesson. If you have AI or partially AI enabled cameras, you may still want conventional motion detection or smart motion detection overnight. I disabled motion detection by setting the sensitivity to zero but left all my motion detection zones unchanged. During the day tripwire or incursion areas successfully trigger on vehicles in the field of view. But at night? Nothing. I thought the headlights would be enough for the tripwire at night. But that does not seem to be the case with the cameras I have.
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Most of my AI enabled cameras have Motion turned off
To be honest the key is to install the Ai and test to make sure that the camera will give best results in the Region of Interest. Position of the camera is one of the main important parts to installing any camera system. Things to be mindful of. If the camera has a lot of light in the area of interest that is pointing at the cameras lens this can cause the camera to not work as you might want it to. Try to keep the area free form things that can reflect back to the cameras lens like water or glass.
In general the cameras LED or IR distance is about the true distance that the camera could work well in Ai mode. I personally discount this to about 1/2 of what it says until I test and confirm.
So in these 2 pictures I am showing an Extreme don't want to position a camera like the Dahua 8mp here. The 4mp Dahua on my Driveway works well because of the placement, the cameras lens and Fstop the camera is able 1 to work at night in Color without turning on its built in 4white Leds. 2 is able to get the tripwires at the areas it is placed. Now I did have a second one going over the road I took out last night. That was my trying to cut down on the number of alerts I was getting over 3 different cameras of the same vehicles lol. Anyway the main issue with the 8mp is that it is pointing to high. Next at night that area above the Tripwire to about where that road goes flat is pitch black there is no steet light there. Next issue with the cameras placement is the street lights that the camera can see cause glare and overexposure. I do run this camera in Color at night. The 4mp is by design color at night with 4white leds again with the amount of light the camera don't use the built in LEDS normally it may kick on once or twice a year.
Why does the 4mp camera work over the 8mp, Well as I was saying placement and Sensor and Fstop is crazy open. Center of view for 4mp is placed well and only 1 light from the garage behind the house across the street is small issue for glare. Normally I Mask it out but so far this year I have left it unmasked and all events have been fine at night. Then the 8mp camera is to high in the sky with the Center of view up through the trees. The 8mp camera is a way not to position a camera at night that you want to capture things from. Next issue and really the main issue is that the 8mp is a zoom camera and the Fstop is very small at the current zoomed location. 4mp has a sensor size of 1/1.8" and 1f/stop 2.8mm lens, and the 8mp has a 1/2.8" and normal 2f/stop at the zoomed out of 2.8mm and the current zoomed location is about 8mm if I had to guess and the Fstop at that location is going to be in the 4+ area..
To be honest the key is to install the Ai and test to make sure that the camera will give best results in the Region of Interest. Position of the camera is one of the main important parts to installing any camera system. Things to be mindful of. If the camera has a lot of light in the area of interest that is pointing at the cameras lens this can cause the camera to not work as you might want it to. Try to keep the area free form things that can reflect back to the cameras lens like water or glass.
In general the cameras LED or IR distance is about the true distance that the camera could work well in Ai mode. I personally discount this to about 1/2 of what it says until I test and confirm.
So in these 2 pictures I am showing an Extreme don't want to position a camera like the Dahua 8mp here. The 4mp Dahua on my Driveway works well because of the placement, the cameras lens and Fstop the camera is able 1 to work at night in Color without turning on its built in 4white Leds. 2 is able to get the tripwires at the areas it is placed. Now I did have a second one going over the road I took out last night. That was my trying to cut down on the number of alerts I was getting over 3 different cameras of the same vehicles lol. Anyway the main issue with the 8mp is that it is pointing to high. Next at night that area above the Tripwire to about where that road goes flat is pitch black there is no steet light there. Next issue with the cameras placement is the street lights that the camera can see cause glare and overexposure. I do run this camera in Color at night. The 4mp is by design color at night with 4white leds again with the amount of light the camera don't use the built in LEDS normally it may kick on once or twice a year.
Why does the 4mp camera work over the 8mp, Well as I was saying placement and Sensor and Fstop is crazy open. Center of view for 4mp is placed well and only 1 light from the garage behind the house across the street is small issue for glare. Normally I Mask it out but so far this year I have left it unmasked and all events have been fine at night. Then the 8mp camera is to high in the sky with the Center of view up through the trees. The 8mp camera is a way not to position a camera at night that you want to capture things from. Next issue and really the main issue is that the 8mp is a zoom camera and the Fstop is very small at the current zoomed location. 4mp has a sensor size of 1/1.8" and 1f/stop 2.8mm lens, and the 8mp has a 1/2.8" and normal 2f/stop at the zoomed out of 2.8mm and the current zoomed location is about 8mm if I had to guess and the Fstop at that location is going to be in the 4+ area..
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Problem is that the AI features don't seem to work at night. Daylight? Works good. Night? Nothing. I know that cars go by, but no triggers with the AI.Most of my AI enabled cameras have Motion turned off
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If you are talking about your Camera 4, that camera is outside the scope of the cameras ability. That camera says it has a 49 foot night vision and then there is other factors on how the camera is placed with other things that are or might be in the way of the cameras ability to see best at night..
So the problem with Motion being enabled is something that I was messing with yesterday using one of my non Ai camera as an Ai camera to test with a different brand Ai camera that starts to record at 7am and stops about 7 or 8pm. only thing that helps is if I happen to enable motion normal events and while it won't pickup areas that I want it to it will on the areas closer..
So in my 2 pictures below, I have my 850EB that will be the 4th line in my search. That is not an Ai Camera but i am using my 4216-E1 NVRs Ai ability to give it a Tripwire.. In the first picture you can see it has the Motion enabled in the search. It is raining tonight and you can see most of it was when the rain started up. After midnight it stopped for maybe 10 min and then it is just full motion event for that camera.. That cameras placement isn't needed for full time recording so I don't record it on Sub Channel. However if it was only camera in that area of interest then I would record on Sub just to keep eyes and ears on that area. Keeping the motion off because it would take more space to run motion events full then it would to just record normal events on main and full time recording on the sub..
The second picture I turned off the motion search part and enabled IVS only to show kind of why motion and IVS isn't a good thing to have going together. One and this is most important part. If your IVS triggers lets say 2 seconds before your motion event is triggered the NVR will not record both events it will pile the last over the first. So if your Motion was first and then passed the Tripwire again it will start part of the recording then pickup the other and things in this case can get lost.. So then it kind of comes down to this.. Seeing you have an E1 NVR you could setup with 2 HDD to record motion events into your NVRs PICTURE storage and setup the Storage area to send them pictures to different HDD.. Then only have the Motion events setup to save pictures and not record. This way all the events are triggered. Then looking at the pictures to find if there was a real event and if setup to playback sub again could set to record on second HDD with pictures like I do.. Then you can use the Pictures time stamps to find the footage that was missed by IVS..
You see with motion lets say it like this. With rain or a bug even if motion is enabled it can kill a real event that was triggered by IVS that is why I normally don't use motion and IVS together..
For your camera 4 location. I would personally move another camera down the fence and setup for IVS and lave the camera you have now setup for Motion inside the scope of the cameras ability.. 49 feet.. Outside of that it will be a hit or miss on real motion events and IVS captures at night anything past the 49 feet is in my mind an accident..
So the problem with Motion being enabled is something that I was messing with yesterday using one of my non Ai camera as an Ai camera to test with a different brand Ai camera that starts to record at 7am and stops about 7 or 8pm. only thing that helps is if I happen to enable motion normal events and while it won't pickup areas that I want it to it will on the areas closer..
So in my 2 pictures below, I have my 850EB that will be the 4th line in my search. That is not an Ai Camera but i am using my 4216-E1 NVRs Ai ability to give it a Tripwire.. In the first picture you can see it has the Motion enabled in the search. It is raining tonight and you can see most of it was when the rain started up. After midnight it stopped for maybe 10 min and then it is just full motion event for that camera.. That cameras placement isn't needed for full time recording so I don't record it on Sub Channel. However if it was only camera in that area of interest then I would record on Sub just to keep eyes and ears on that area. Keeping the motion off because it would take more space to run motion events full then it would to just record normal events on main and full time recording on the sub..
The second picture I turned off the motion search part and enabled IVS only to show kind of why motion and IVS isn't a good thing to have going together. One and this is most important part. If your IVS triggers lets say 2 seconds before your motion event is triggered the NVR will not record both events it will pile the last over the first. So if your Motion was first and then passed the Tripwire again it will start part of the recording then pickup the other and things in this case can get lost.. So then it kind of comes down to this.. Seeing you have an E1 NVR you could setup with 2 HDD to record motion events into your NVRs PICTURE storage and setup the Storage area to send them pictures to different HDD.. Then only have the Motion events setup to save pictures and not record. This way all the events are triggered. Then looking at the pictures to find if there was a real event and if setup to playback sub again could set to record on second HDD with pictures like I do.. Then you can use the Pictures time stamps to find the footage that was missed by IVS..
You see with motion lets say it like this. With rain or a bug even if motion is enabled it can kill a real event that was triggered by IVS that is why I normally don't use motion and IVS together..
For your camera 4 location. I would personally move another camera down the fence and setup for IVS and lave the camera you have now setup for Motion inside the scope of the cameras ability.. 49 feet.. Outside of that it will be a hit or miss on real motion events and IVS captures at night anything past the 49 feet is in my mind an accident..
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Edit! There is issue for events past Motion for images.. I did post that I thought all channels events didn't record any images but seems motion events do other IVS events don't So I will pass that along to Amcrest to get fixed.. Edit end..
Then made a video showing events from the camera facing out to the road from front of house, Anyay show camera with IVS rule enabled the day I played back and in the pictures above showing yesterdays event is with that event rule gone but show some full time playback on my Sub Channel of that same camera from this early AM and thought I would share why it could be important to record full time on Sub channel to capture what is missed from events.. https://youtu.be/V3QFOKq-BCk If anyone wanted to see..
Then made a video showing events from the camera facing out to the road from front of house, Anyay show camera with IVS rule enabled the day I played back and in the pictures above showing yesterdays event is with that event rule gone but show some full time playback on my Sub Channel of that same camera from this early AM and thought I would share why it could be important to record full time on Sub channel to capture what is missed from events.. https://youtu.be/V3QFOKq-BCk If anyone wanted to see..
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