DVR system on Cat6
DVR system on Cat6
I see the dvr system uses BNC cable,does the RJ45 to BNC connector lose quality? I just can't decide if the dvr or nvr is the best for me. How long of a run can you go with cat6 and the bnc connector? Seems like the dvr system might be easy to set up,just looking for a quality system. Have cat6 in all locations now and the workshop is about 450 feet away from where the main unit will be. Do you lose quality by using cat6 instead of bnc cable? Been doing a lot of reading on different systems but hope to get some expert opinions on this.
Re: DVR system on Cat6
Hello again... Well in a Since it can be done however with your Cat6 if your going to run that to video then you need to make sure that your Camera end is close to a Power outlet. main problem with Cat wire is the size. While in most cases when you run Cat5 5e or 6 you want to keep the power doubled up and in most cases not over 210ft. Cat6 might be little longer. Another thing you might want to look for and is the main reason I have most of my Cameras as Dual Voltage is because on the 24vac it has better chance of working on longer run cables.
Most Siamese cable is RG59 with 18ga wire. Cat6 is I think 23ga and cat5 and 5e is 24ga. Longer distance runs i would make sure for me to use a 24vac camera or make sure that there was power close by.
So hardest thing is to remember that you want to use a pair for Video and then use 2 pair for the power...
For Me. I would go with a Good HD DVR system. There is less to remember to configure and in most cases less issues with Hacking your system or Hijacking your feeds. Also if you did use NVR I would make sure it is Secure behind a firewall. If they can access the internet there is that many items that can be used to watch you.
Dvr. 1 Ip Address if you connect to the Internet. NVR 8ch would have 9 IP's 1 for the NVR and 8 for cameras...
Most Siamese cable is RG59 with 18ga wire. Cat6 is I think 23ga and cat5 and 5e is 24ga. Longer distance runs i would make sure for me to use a 24vac camera or make sure that there was power close by.
So hardest thing is to remember that you want to use a pair for Video and then use 2 pair for the power...
For Me. I would go with a Good HD DVR system. There is less to remember to configure and in most cases less issues with Hacking your system or Hijacking your feeds. Also if you did use NVR I would make sure it is Secure behind a firewall. If they can access the internet there is that many items that can be used to watch you.
Dvr. 1 Ip Address if you connect to the Internet. NVR 8ch would have 9 IP's 1 for the NVR and 8 for cameras...
Be Safe.
Re: DVR system on Cat6
Thanks again Revo2Maxx
Just so many options in doing this stuff for a diy person. So if you were building new house what cable would you run to every camera? Can the DVR be in basement and all wires connect there ? Can you buy the cable in bulk and install ends yourself, or buy ready made cables? Would you suggest a good system with 6 cameras.
Just so many options in doing this stuff for a diy person. So if you were building new house what cable would you run to every camera? Can the DVR be in basement and all wires connect there ? Can you buy the cable in bulk and install ends yourself, or buy ready made cables? Would you suggest a good system with 6 cameras.
Re: DVR system on Cat6
Well to be honest there is so much in there that it would take a whole day to give the best answer to it all.
Some people use Basement I personally don't.. I also have all my Data Runs in Walls or hidden in Bulkheads.
So I would buy bulk Cable and make your own Ends to be safe. Seeing you said you alerady have cat6 installed then go with what you have and get Baluns and remember that 2 pairs needs to be use for the power and 1 pair for the video. if you buy a DVR. If you have plans for Audio then the last pair could be used for that.. Any long runs i would make sure there is Power at the camera area...
Now if I was going to run my own system... Just make note I am not Normal.... lol.. Cat5 x2 in every room yes even the bathroom and laundry room (No not for Cameras). Siamese cable + 1 Cat5 to every outside corner room. No less then 4 Cat5 to my Office room. Now don't make my mistake and only take 1 Cat5 to the Garage. I ran 2 RG6 1 cat 5. Only thinking of the Garage door and Buzzer wire.. So if running today I would run 2 runs to the Garage, One for Power and the second for 2 Siamese and 4 cat5... Please note I say Cat5 but that is 5e or 6 it don't have to be just Cat5...
Then I say run that is from what ever area you have setup to be your security room. This room in my house isn't in the basement as Water is bad for Electronics... So a room the size of a Closet is more then enough. I have enclosed my room with no door access to it. It has HVAC and connected to my Fresh air system as well.. I have 2 20amp Dedicated outlets that is run through my Auto Switch to my NG Generator. Also my room has 2 backup UPS in there as well.
For a System there is a lot out there and to be honest I wouldn't feel right making a Suggestion over maybe buying a 8ch DVR with 4 cameras and then buying 2 Varifocal cameras or even maybe 2 Motorized Varifocal camears. For me in most cases the all in ONE kit just don't do it for me when it comes to the cameras. Most of them are going to be 3.6mm fixed lens or 2.8mm and that just don't make the cake in all cases.... There maybe some Higher end DVR or NVR systems that offer some Motorized VF as part to the set in most cases I don't know of many if any. I would also outside cameras use Dome style could be what some refer to as eyeball cams or Turret cams. It isn't as easy to get them out of view of what your watching if someone wants to mess with your system and you have bullet style it is easier to break or get out of view if only tossing a shirt on it... Won't happen on a Done style camera...
In the end. If your thinking of 6ch. I would personally go with a 16ch. 6cams are to close of the 8ch setup and would out grow really fast...
If you have your heart set on NVR then I would look at
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-8-Megapi ... 19292&th=1
4K will last you many years to come and you can expand...
For 2 other cameras you could get the 4k 4x Optical Zoom Motorized VF Dome
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Varifoca ... B07GBGVN6T
Some people use Basement I personally don't.. I also have all my Data Runs in Walls or hidden in Bulkheads.
So I would buy bulk Cable and make your own Ends to be safe. Seeing you said you alerady have cat6 installed then go with what you have and get Baluns and remember that 2 pairs needs to be use for the power and 1 pair for the video. if you buy a DVR. If you have plans for Audio then the last pair could be used for that.. Any long runs i would make sure there is Power at the camera area...
Now if I was going to run my own system... Just make note I am not Normal.... lol.. Cat5 x2 in every room yes even the bathroom and laundry room (No not for Cameras). Siamese cable + 1 Cat5 to every outside corner room. No less then 4 Cat5 to my Office room. Now don't make my mistake and only take 1 Cat5 to the Garage. I ran 2 RG6 1 cat 5. Only thinking of the Garage door and Buzzer wire.. So if running today I would run 2 runs to the Garage, One for Power and the second for 2 Siamese and 4 cat5... Please note I say Cat5 but that is 5e or 6 it don't have to be just Cat5...
Then I say run that is from what ever area you have setup to be your security room. This room in my house isn't in the basement as Water is bad for Electronics... So a room the size of a Closet is more then enough. I have enclosed my room with no door access to it. It has HVAC and connected to my Fresh air system as well.. I have 2 20amp Dedicated outlets that is run through my Auto Switch to my NG Generator. Also my room has 2 backup UPS in there as well.
For a System there is a lot out there and to be honest I wouldn't feel right making a Suggestion over maybe buying a 8ch DVR with 4 cameras and then buying 2 Varifocal cameras or even maybe 2 Motorized Varifocal camears. For me in most cases the all in ONE kit just don't do it for me when it comes to the cameras. Most of them are going to be 3.6mm fixed lens or 2.8mm and that just don't make the cake in all cases.... There maybe some Higher end DVR or NVR systems that offer some Motorized VF as part to the set in most cases I don't know of many if any. I would also outside cameras use Dome style could be what some refer to as eyeball cams or Turret cams. It isn't as easy to get them out of view of what your watching if someone wants to mess with your system and you have bullet style it is easier to break or get out of view if only tossing a shirt on it... Won't happen on a Done style camera...
In the end. If your thinking of 6ch. I would personally go with a 16ch. 6cams are to close of the 8ch setup and would out grow really fast...
If you have your heart set on NVR then I would look at
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-8-Megapi ... 19292&th=1
4K will last you many years to come and you can expand...
For 2 other cameras you could get the 4k 4x Optical Zoom Motorized VF Dome
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Varifoca ... B07GBGVN6T
Be Safe.
Re: DVR system on Cat6
While I said I don't like to really use Bullets outside you could use them indoors and buy some dome for outside as option as well... Here is a 8ch 4k DVR with 4 bullets and 2tb as a starting place
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Security ... 74422&th=1
I would say when your ready to Buy a system get ahold of Amcrest and they can give you much more insight on what you should get. My ideas is only that... Ideas...
Would be interesting to know what you did go with in the end.
https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Security ... 74422&th=1
I would say when your ready to Buy a system get ahold of Amcrest and they can give you much more insight on what you should get. My ideas is only that... Ideas...
Would be interesting to know what you did go with in the end.
Be Safe.
Re: DVR system on Cat6
As I was thinking about things. I thought I would mention that While I don't have many Cameras running on Cat5e there is something that does drive me nuts from time to time and that is when I try to use what is Called Over Coax Controls. One day I can get to the menus or use the Zoom in and out function and then same day later in the night for what ever reason I can't control it... So i did some testing with same camera. Took down set up Short run of Cat5e on Baluns did some testing was working fine. Later that day tried again didn't work. So I disconnected it power and Balun from camera. Connected Balun and then power. Showed I had 1080P and tried the PTZ controls and wouldn't work... Then took full 60ft length Siamese made connection and it did without fail... a few days later tested and Balun worked for a day or 2 then failed. Took off but on Siamese cabling and no issue. I am going to guess it is my Junk Balun from China. So I haven't tired to buy a new type then the ones I have been using.
Plus if you going to run a few that way they make Hubs as well. your cat6 cable comes into your data/security room and connects to a Hub off that hub you connect BNC to your DVR... However most of the ones I know about will work with CVI and TVI and AHD and even CVBS but I haven't seen that I can remember that goes over 1080P so if you get 4k system make sure to find 4k hardware...
Plus if you going to run a few that way they make Hubs as well. your cat6 cable comes into your data/security room and connects to a Hub off that hub you connect BNC to your DVR... However most of the ones I know about will work with CVI and TVI and AHD and even CVBS but I haven't seen that I can remember that goes over 1080P so if you get 4k system make sure to find 4k hardware...
Be Safe.
Re: DVR system on Cat6
I'll chip in with my 2cents if I may, on the subject of "if you were building new house". I'm with Revo2Maxx, I'd certainly run at least 2 cat 6 cables (good quality, solid core) to every room but I would terminate in wall sockets. Always easier to run a short additional patch cable. I'd run everything back to a rackmount cabinet, cooled and at least twice as big as I thought I needed, isn't it nice to dream 
My AMCREST Cameras:-
2 x IP3M-941B firmware V2.620.00AC00.3.R, Build Date: 2019-12-18
1 x IP2M-841B firmware V2.420.AC00.18.R, Build Date: 2019-08-03
2 x IP3M-941B firmware V2.620.00AC00.3.R, Build Date: 2019-12-18
1 x IP2M-841B firmware V2.420.AC00.18.R, Build Date: 2019-08-03
Re: DVR system on Cat6
WOW Thanks guys
I just can't decide what is best NVR or DVR for me. I just want good quality and reliable system. Have a POE in my garage now and it seems to be OK when hooking a monitor to the NVR, had troubles when trying to network the setup to a slow computer. I'm more thinking of not using the internet for new house and just recording to hard drive, limited data plan just don't work for this stuff. I probably will never see a unlimited plan in my area. The house will have a alarm,so maybe just recording a event will work. What I would really like to see is a POE doorbell camera from Amcrest.
I just can't decide what is best NVR or DVR for me. I just want good quality and reliable system. Have a POE in my garage now and it seems to be OK when hooking a monitor to the NVR, had troubles when trying to network the setup to a slow computer. I'm more thinking of not using the internet for new house and just recording to hard drive, limited data plan just don't work for this stuff. I probably will never see a unlimited plan in my area. The house will have a alarm,so maybe just recording a event will work. What I would really like to see is a POE doorbell camera from Amcrest.