Hello experts.
I have used Amcrest Wireless IP Cameras in the past (model IP4M-1051W) for indoor use, and want to add an appropriate NVR to the set. I also wish to purchase some outdoor IP Cameras, and was looking at the ASH47-W cameras. I looked at the ASH47-W because they are Wireless, and can be either wall or roof/ceiling mounted.
I am not sure which NVR to get - I was looking at the NV4108-HS, and wanted to check with you all to see if (a) that is a good fit, (b) can discover wireless IP Cameras.
I do not have the capability to run any wiring for POE cameras, and so wanted to make sure the NVR was capable of working with the wireless cameras.
Q: Am I making decent choices?
Q: Are there better alternatives, given that I need to reuse the IP4M's?
Your advice/guidance is greatly appreciated.
Regards.
ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
Hello and Welcome to the Forum..
I would look at 21xx-hs if your trying to stay on a budget,
Either way you go 41xx-hs or 21xx-hs personally I would update to the v4 FW so you don't get used to the older 3xx fw just to relearn everything over later..
About your Wifi pick for cameras. I do have some Smart home Devices and personally are ok However depending on how your place is built wifi can be a bad choice for Home Security cameras.. Like with my home I have many walls with Wire/lath. Even 20 foot away with only 1 wall my wifi camera has to be in sight of my P7000 Netgear router for it to work. For my issue I have to run multi Router setup to work with other wifi cameras. If I only could use Wifi I wouldn't be very happy in truth..
The 21xx-hs and 41xx-hs work well enough to search for and use wifi cameras as long as they are good connection to the router. More items on your network or other networks around can make things not work so well.
I would look at 21xx-hs if your trying to stay on a budget,
Either way you go 41xx-hs or 21xx-hs personally I would update to the v4 FW so you don't get used to the older 3xx fw just to relearn everything over later..
About your Wifi pick for cameras. I do have some Smart home Devices and personally are ok However depending on how your place is built wifi can be a bad choice for Home Security cameras.. Like with my home I have many walls with Wire/lath. Even 20 foot away with only 1 wall my wifi camera has to be in sight of my P7000 Netgear router for it to work. For my issue I have to run multi Router setup to work with other wifi cameras. If I only could use Wifi I wouldn't be very happy in truth..
The 21xx-hs and 41xx-hs work well enough to search for and use wifi cameras as long as they are good connection to the router. More items on your network or other networks around can make things not work so well.
Be Safe.
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
@Revo2Maxx, thanks for the guidance!
I assume by v4 FW you mean an NVR?
I appreciate the guidance on Wifi cams, and in an ideal world I would make sure I was able to run Ethernet cables to camera locations. Unfortunately I am stuck with needing to use WiFi. I have used Netgear Powerline modules in the past, and that is always an option for hard-to-reach places, although the house is small enough that i ought to get decent Wifi signals even through the walls (I assume throughout rate will drop down by at least 75% compared to hardwired connections, but that may still provide enough throughput to me - at least in the past that has been true for me).
Regards.
I assume by v4 FW you mean an NVR?
I appreciate the guidance on Wifi cams, and in an ideal world I would make sure I was able to run Ethernet cables to camera locations. Unfortunately I am stuck with needing to use WiFi. I have used Netgear Powerline modules in the past, and that is always an option for hard-to-reach places, although the house is small enough that i ought to get decent Wifi signals even through the walls (I assume throughout rate will drop down by at least 75% compared to hardwired connections, but that may still provide enough throughput to me - at least in the past that has been true for me).
Regards.
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
So Amcrest "Sales" is trying to sell me a NV4108-HS with an IP2M or a ASH43 camera. Does this mean that something like ASH47 will not work with that NVR?
It irks me that there is very little clear and concise information available on the Amcrest site that I can use to make a definitive decision. Am I just looking in the wrong places?
My ask is quite straightforward (at least I think it is).
I need wireless IP cameras that support PTZ and can do 4-5 megapixels and night vision. And an NVR that can support such cameras as well as my existing IP4M. At the very minimum, I would expect that Amcrest sales can tell me UNAMBIGOUSLY that such a combination WILL work or not. I can discuss later on conditions under which performance will be excellent, average, or poor.
Am I being completely unreasonable?
Are there resources where I can learn more about everything related to NVRs and IP cameras, so I can make my own informed decisions?
It irks me that there is very little clear and concise information available on the Amcrest site that I can use to make a definitive decision. Am I just looking in the wrong places?
My ask is quite straightforward (at least I think it is).
I need wireless IP cameras that support PTZ and can do 4-5 megapixels and night vision. And an NVR that can support such cameras as well as my existing IP4M. At the very minimum, I would expect that Amcrest sales can tell me UNAMBIGOUSLY that such a combination WILL work or not. I can discuss later on conditions under which performance will be excellent, average, or poor.
Am I being completely unreasonable?
Are there resources where I can learn more about everything related to NVRs and IP cameras, so I can make my own informed decisions?
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
Not sure why they are pushing one over another. It might be Stock issues.
Ash so you understand is a Smart Home Product. Most of them (All of the ones I own but 1) work with all of my Recorders. The one that don't work in truth does it just don't work as one might expect (To be fair because it is Battery Camera) It does work on NVR just not as one would expect..
About the 4108-HS it will work with all Camera from Amcrest and some others just not always as easy to make them work with the Amcrest NVR's. I have a 4108-HS that I have connected to 5 841 amcrest camera, Foscam 1080p Wifi camera and 2 wifi Doorbells..
1 thing to keep in mind. Mesh network routers don't work well with CCTV Hardware. I am not saying it won't work. Just don't play well.. Mesh is kind of a bully in the yard.. As long as you have normal router, then your NVR and wifi cameras will be fine..
Ash so you understand is a Smart Home Product. Most of them (All of the ones I own but 1) work with all of my Recorders. The one that don't work in truth does it just don't work as one might expect (To be fair because it is Battery Camera) It does work on NVR just not as one would expect..
About the 4108-HS it will work with all Camera from Amcrest and some others just not always as easy to make them work with the Amcrest NVR's. I have a 4108-HS that I have connected to 5 841 amcrest camera, Foscam 1080p Wifi camera and 2 wifi Doorbells..
1 thing to keep in mind. Mesh network routers don't work well with CCTV Hardware. I am not saying it won't work. Just don't play well.. Mesh is kind of a bully in the yard.. As long as you have normal router, then your NVR and wifi cameras will be fine..
Be Safe.
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
Thanks, @Revo2Maxx! You've been extremely helpful in clarifying things for me. Truly appreciate that!
I don't have a large enough house to need Mesh - if I DO add an extra router, it will be used as an access point rather than in a mesh (usually I get by using the router provided by my ISP, but I also have an ASUS router available to use in case I need it).
OK, so as I see it, I will be fine with a NV4108-HS or NV4116-HS (non-POE), and the ASH47-W cameras?
BTW, the specs on the ASH47-W indicate I need a power source, but that does not seem to be included in the package. Is that accurate? I mean, I have plenty of such power supply adapters lying around, but odd if the BoM does not include a power supply...
One further question, is there somewhere on the Amcrest website where I can get a good understanding of the product naming conventions? For example NV41XX - I get that XX is the number of channels supported, but what does the 4 indicate, and what does the 1 indicate?
Appreciate your guidance and clarifications.
I don't have a large enough house to need Mesh - if I DO add an extra router, it will be used as an access point rather than in a mesh (usually I get by using the router provided by my ISP, but I also have an ASUS router available to use in case I need it).
OK, so as I see it, I will be fine with a NV4108-HS or NV4116-HS (non-POE), and the ASH47-W cameras?
BTW, the specs on the ASH47-W indicate I need a power source, but that does not seem to be included in the package. Is that accurate? I mean, I have plenty of such power supply adapters lying around, but odd if the BoM does not include a power supply...
One further question, is there somewhere on the Amcrest website where I can get a good understanding of the product naming conventions? For example NV41XX - I get that XX is the number of channels supported, but what does the 4 indicate, and what does the 1 indicate?
Appreciate your guidance and clarifications.
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
Not sure there is a Guide, I know that older systems was 1, 2, 4, 5. Then there was 41xx and yes xx would be number of channels. 04, 08, 16 or 32.
I have all of them besides the 1 and 5 series. I am looking to add the 52xx to my line up some day..
What is important is 41xx can get really confusing because there is multi models and hard to know when a seller is really selling what your expecting when it comes to places like Ebay. I mean might be they are all honest however I would buy new from Amcrest or Amcrest direct off amazon or ebay at least you know what they are offering is legit.
4108-HS is 4k, 4108h is 4mp. 4208 is AI enabled or like 42xx again xx is channel number. Then there is also a 41xx-a2 that is Semi AI with SMD. Personally I have not heard of anyone that owns one yet only pages for FW and manuals.
About the 47 it has power supply here is picture of QSG showing what it comes with..
I have all of them besides the 1 and 5 series. I am looking to add the 52xx to my line up some day..
What is important is 41xx can get really confusing because there is multi models and hard to know when a seller is really selling what your expecting when it comes to places like Ebay. I mean might be they are all honest however I would buy new from Amcrest or Amcrest direct off amazon or ebay at least you know what they are offering is legit.
4108-HS is 4k, 4108h is 4mp. 4208 is AI enabled or like 42xx again xx is channel number. Then there is also a 41xx-a2 that is Semi AI with SMD. Personally I have not heard of anyone that owns one yet only pages for FW and manuals.
About the 47 it has power supply here is picture of QSG showing what it comes with..
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Be Safe.
Re: ADVICE: NVR/IP Cam combo
@Revo2Maxx, many thanks. I wish Amcrest had a brief description on their website! Would make life for consumers so much easier! I generally do buy my stuff directly from Amcrest, so I don't have to worrry about stuff, but it REALLY would be nice if their so-called salespeople were more knowledgeable than they let on.