add low lighting to enhance WDR

[Revo2Maxx]

I figured what is one more picture lol every camera has its use.. While this might look bad it does what it is designed to do..

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[jack7]

In this video, the HFW1831 E is basically the same 8MP camera as Amy's IP8M-2597E. The HDW5442 TM-AS is a 4MP camera that is a current leader in low light video quality. Both cameras have a 1/1.8" sensor but the 4MP camera has bigger pixels. I don't think there is an equivalent Amcrest 4MP model.
Increase desktop youtube quality for better viewing.
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/multiple- ... est.47082/

Here's a current Dahua 8MP box camera with very good low light specs. ~$2000.
https://us.dahuasecurity.com/wp-content ... 01_006.pdf

Regarding license plates, here's a post I remember from 2018 with Amcrest IP2M-858 used for license plate recording.
https://amcrest.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... ate#p20849

[jack7]

Posts in this thread seem to indicate that a 8MP camera set to a reduced resolution like 2MP can improve low light capability. I was wondering about that since the camera pixels don't change. Depending on the camera, it must be that neighbor pixels are added together to increase light in a "2MP" pixel.

[Revo2Maxx]

Well for me it is really hard to say.. I did order a Lens off Amazon that is the right size for my Sensor that cost more then I wish to pay but wanted a 5-50mm DC lens you pay the price I seen some others on Ebay but I couldn't get them because they were not the right f setting or lens size and I wanted to get what was needed for my needs and not something less.. While 5mm will still be much closer image then a 2.8 or 3.6mm it is what it is...

So with the lens I have now all I know is when I went from 12mp, to 8mp and then to 1080p there was a large Processing enhancement... I am going to guess for me it might have been because I am getting closer to the real lens size of the LENS being used...

Sadly with these fixed lens cameras I have not really looked much into them... I know that my 2mp camera has a 3mp lens yet it is only a 2mp in all ways other then lens and that means the sensor can't get anything better then what it was designed... That Camera is a Auto focus zoom 2.7mm to 12mm and maybe that was all they had that would run on the 2mp sensor...

However not knowing the way the Amcrest cameras are made I couldn't say how or why something might work as it does...

So here is what I do know and may have to look over my dusty Text Book for clear answer... But a Cameras Bit Rate is like a Computers Processor and for a good Video and quality image you need a Min of 5mbps in Bit Rate to Encode at H264 and 2.5mbps to Encode at H265... So sadly not all IP cameras or even HD over Coax cameras are the same.. Some think that just because you have a 1080p sensor your camera is a 1080p camera and while it might be if the speed of the guts in the camera are not fast enough to take all the info being fed to it the image will fail... I know we are talking about 8mp camera why am I only on 1080p LOL because that is what reminds me of what I need to type... Now for 4k you need 10mbps to encode at H264 and using H265 you only need 5mbps... However after thinking about it, I think I found some issues for my system anyway and will have to make some test runs... 10mpbs might be the adding in of 1 sub ch...

That is info for Encoding Main Channel... My camera has Main and 2 subs and i was working them all and that Taxes the camera speed even more and with all my changes in size and bit rates yeah what do I expect... The poor camera wasn't the size of a Printer how much processor can that poor computer have... Aka camera...

I am going to have to do some more testing without subs in play and see what happens to my image...

Another things I should think about... Where is this camera going? NVR output only 1080p because the monitor is only 1080p that is going to make some changes in how the image looks as well.. Another reason I think my 1080p setting of my 4k camera looks better is because the output of my Video card is 1080p monitor is 1080p ... But that still don't account for all the Motion Blur up to this point.. I guess I need to go pull my 2116-hs from the Security Closet and connect it to my 4k Tv for some more testing on that as well...

hummm YEs I know if you look at a MP calc it will say 1 4k camera only need 8mbps and some of my numbers are for 1 sub ch I think where the Calc will only figure in main

[AngieTexas]

That video, clearly shows exactly what I am dealing with AND I have much more light from porch light, street lights, outdoor lights.

Image 1:

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I have plenty of "white light" and have tried settings all the way down to 1080P and 15FPS. While the lower resolution settings improved the image of people walking, significantly, it is still not enough for a satisfactory image. Still images or pausing is still very blurry.

Why doesn't Infrared Light help enhance color images as it does B&W?

There is no way I can afford $2000 cameras. I don't believe my expectations of a $150 camera is too high, it absolutely should produce a usable image to identify a moving person, in close proximity (4MM Lens) with the amount of light shown in the pictures above. I am on 10 Feet from the camera when testing.

Why does ANYONE need a "surveillance camera" that produces blurry ghost like figures? How is that helpful?

I am not looking for studio quality images at night, but, it must at minimum help identify whom is captured in the video. Isn't that, everyone's expectation? Ugggg...

Thanks for you help...

[AngieTexas]

Note on their selling bullet points:

IP8M-2597EW-4MM

Stunning UltraHD 4K (8-Megapixel / 3840x2160) resolution , 4K @30fps.
Does not mention PAL vs NTSC, just 4K @30fps

Best in class low light capability utilizing the latest CMOS image sensor and chipset.
States it is best in class with low light capabilities.

Wide 87° viewing angle.

4.0mm narrow angle lens for a more focused and up close shot, perfect for viewing license plates and faces close up.
States it is perfect for viewing license plates and faces close up. Does not mention, only daytime or at lower resolutions.

Professionally view on a PC using the Amcrest Surveillance Pro for Windows and MAC (included) or Blue Iris Professional.

Features a CMOS 1/1.8” 8MP progressive image sensor to achieve unsurpassed low-light capability and night-vision up to 164 feet.
Unsurpassed low-light and night-vision up to 164 feet, I'd settle for 25 at the moment....

Works with Amcrest Cloud remote video storage, Amcrest NVRs, Synology and QNAP NAS & FTP.

Works with Google Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Microsoft Edge web browsers.
I can't use any of these browsers, in chrome I have to use a standalone app and the only other web browser I can use is out dated internet explorer.

Heavy-duty metal IP67 Outdoor Weatherproof Camera.

Dual H.265/H.264 compression allows for maximum encryption with the latest technology as well as backwards compatibility with legacy platforms.

DORI Distance:
Detect: 341ft
Observe: 138ft
Recognize: 69ft "Daytime yes, Night = REALLY?"
Identify: 33ft. "Daytime yes, Night = Not My Cameras"

Wide Dynamic Range: up to 120dB True WDR.

Operating Conditions: -22°F ~ +140°F.

Compatible with the following Amcrest Junction Boxes, ASIN: B07CB468HC, B07FK662Z5.

PoE power supply (injector or switch) required but not included.

Bullet Dimensions: 6.9 x 2.7 x 2.7 inches.

Bullet Weight: 1.1 lbs.

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Bottom Line, can you see how I get to my expectations?

[Revo2Maxx]

Sadly the Pictures of Still look beautiful...

So issue with Ghosting.. Looking at that image I am going to guess that the biggest issue sadly is there is to much back light... So what that is doing is making the camera work harder at the images...

Sorry you asked what FPS was and I failed to answer... FPS is Frames Per Second... So if your system is set to 15 FPS then your camera is taking 15 frames every second to make 1 picture... So then there is some other things that can happen as well but let me get back to that...

Question!? Have you tried to remove Sub 1 and or 2 if you have them enabled?

If your running at 1080p you would think that your camera should be able to do at least 30fps? Then below that keep the iFrames at 60 or double what ever your FPS is should change that way Auto...

That Picture and settings have your tried just changing it to B/W at that point and see if the Ghosting has gone?

Crazy thing is you have 10000000% better images at night then I do that is for sure... Everything is clear...

I would try B/W with IR off and then test some... Then i would try to add smart IR and then Manual IR at 25% need to fill in some of that light in the back of your image aka by the other side walk to give image a chance to get faces and no blur?

I know it is hard to keep trying this as it is a PITA...

[Revo2Maxx]

Hummm So says it works in Chrome?
You using your NVR IP address for your View or your Camera WebUI...
What FW build are you on? If it says Chrome then it should work as stand alone? NO APP...
ASP for me is a NO good I stay away from it

[Revo2Maxx]

OK... So Here is some more Guesses.. Sorry that is all I can do really...
Camera, Cable Cat5e? Amcrest cable or your own made? Wired into NVR POE port?
NVR to Router Cable Cat5e? Amcrest or Your Own made?
Is any of your Cabling CCA? CCA cable should be avoided at all cost...

Cables can make a system not work right, Power supply issues, Noise in the lines (All network and low voltage cable should not cross or come in contact with high volt lines)

Sorry I don't know there are so many things that can go bad...

[AngieTexas]

HiYa James, I stumbled onto something, you might understand way better then me.

First off, I agree, the still scenic images these cameras create are awesome. I have no complaints there. It is just the movement of people.

I was just screwing around changing the settings for 1 camera. I changed it to HLC at 100%. Just to see...

It made the picture very dark, but when I tested movement, there was much less ghosting.

Then I moved gamma to 100%, sharpness to 100% and Brightness to 55% and the resulting image is an acceptable low light color capture. There is room for improvement and tweaking the settings down, but at least I know it will work for two of the cameras at 8MP, 30FPS.

Yeah, progress....

The other area, needs a white light solution. I have a patio light I will try and work with.

As for Cat5 and Cat6 cables, I bought 4 60' cables from Amcrest and they were not all the same size length, several inches difference. I still have them, but replaced them with Cat6 PoE from Amazon. The image stayed consistent with both, I used the Amcrest cables the first 3 weeks and then changed.

Does the bit rate matter? I have it set to highest.

I am going to leave these settings as they are for a day or so, then review things.

Thanks!!!!